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Post by drilbey on Mar 1, 2017 23:05:16 GMT
What is your guys opinion on Casey's Oscar win backlash? I dunno but considering Rooney is good friends with both Casey AND Brie it was probably a really awkward after party |
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Post by RedSparrow on Mar 2, 2017 0:15:03 GMT
What is your guys opinion on Casey's Oscar win backlash? It was inevitable. But solely for his performance he did deserve the award. I wonder what happens to his career from here though. For now it seems ok, but in the long run I can totally see it taking a hit. |
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Post by drilbey on Mar 2, 2017 0:32:36 GMT
Honestly, him winning the Oscar is actually worse for his career because it puts him and his past actions in a bigger spotlight than what they were pre Manchester by the Sea.
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Post by sethan on Mar 2, 2017 1:00:50 GMT
What is your guys opinion on Casey's Oscar win backlash? People have the right to react as they want. But I think it's a pretty childish reaction. I know that this makes me look like his number one fan which I am not, but he doesn't win as the best perfect human being, just best actor. And that he has had a public legal issue does not mean that the rest of the actors are perfect in private. I don't believe in the judges that are placed in pedestals of morality nor do I think that someone must be crucified forever without knowing his version. And I believe that the art and life are separated I wonder if Rooney has lost many friends with this. Not because of her friendship with Casey precisely, but because Joaquin is connected in a way with this, because he was present the day all that happened between the girls and Casey. |
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Post by renoh on Mar 2, 2017 1:09:21 GMT
What is your guys opinion on Casey's Oscar win backlash? I don’t like how “celebrities” are trashing him. We don’t know what exactly happened. I really hope his friends and family are helping him stay away of alcohol, I think he was so drunk he can’t even remember a thing got scared and paid. It seems to me the 2 ladies saw a big opportunity to make big money, If you were really a victim, would you accept the money and shut up?… no way, but they did. Watching his interviews, I don’t see a bad person. And as sethan said before, people are confusing this accusations with rape. This all seems like the Salem witch trials but on social media, collective paranoia and some celebrities are getting free advertisement for throwing a rock. |
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Post by renoh on Mar 2, 2017 1:43:17 GMT
What is your guys opinion on Casey's Oscar win backlash? It was inevitable. But solely for his performance he did deserve the award. I wonder what happens to his career from here though. For now it seems ok, but in the long run I can totally see it taking a hit. I remember Mel Gibson said horrible things years ago... he seems to be ok now. |
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Post by sethan on Mar 2, 2017 13:06:36 GMT
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Post by nenya on Mar 2, 2017 16:14:25 GMT
my 2 cents about Casey, as long as we're not on the victim blaming route, i can calmly read about different points of view, it's great we can discuss this in a civilized manner, it's good to talk about it, better than pretending there's no problem. here are some strong arguments, and i agree with almost everything what was written there (just before Oscars), and what's important, it isn't just about his case, but also about the way of thinking about sexual harassment or assault, too often too similar arguments are being raised. It's time to shut these arguments down, one by one. |
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Post by RedSparrow on Mar 2, 2017 18:12:47 GMT
my 2 cents about Casey, as long as we're not on the victim blaming route, i can calmly read about different points of view, it's great we can discuss this in a civilized manner, it's good to talk about it, better then pretending there's no problem. here are some strong arguments, and i agree with almost everything what was written there (just before Oscars), and what's important, it isn't just about his case, but also about the way of thinking about sexual harassment or assault, too often too similar arguments are being raised. It's time to shut these arguments down, one by one.Victim blaming probably is the most ridiculous thing I've ever come across. It is designed to discourage the defense of the person. And if these allegations are true (which seems to be likely) the victims are the only ones who can truly forgive him. I personally can usually separate the art from the artist, I can watch their work and appreciate it for what it is. But to be completely honest I do feel guilty for doing it at times as it makes me feel like I'm somehow enabling their actions by doing it. Especially when you hear things like Bertolucci and Brando's shenanigans, and Bertolucci's explanation for what he did not only left me questioning the idea of separating the art from the artist but also left me feeling guilty and ashamed for being able to do it. I'm still learning and figuring this out slowly. It's hard to do it living in such a politically correct environment. |
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Post by nenya on Mar 2, 2017 19:05:24 GMT
my 2 cents about Casey, as long as we're not on the victim blaming route, i can calmly read about different points of view, it's great we can discuss this in a civilized manner, it's good to talk about it, better then pretending there's no problem. here are some strong arguments, and i agree with almost everything what was written there (just before Oscars), and what's important, it isn't just about his case, but also about the way of thinking about sexual harassment or assault, too often too similar arguments are being raised. It's time to shut these arguments down, one by one.Victim blaming probably is the most ridiculous thing I've ever come across. It is designed to discourage the defense of the person. And if these allegations are true (which seems to be likely) the victims are the only ones who can truly forgive him. I personally can usually separate the art from the artist, I can watch their work and appreciate it for what it is. But to be completely honest I do feel guilty for doing it at times as it makes me feel like I'm somehow enabling their actions by doing it. Especially when you hear things like Bertolucci and Brando's shenanigans, and Bertolucci's explanation for what he did not only left me questioning the idea of separating the art from the artist but also left me feeling guilty and ashamed for being able to do it. I'm still learning and figuring this out slowly. It's hard to do it living in such a politically correct environment. i agree completely! i get it. i caught myself watching Woody Allen movies with a different feeling in my guts, it's not so careless and fun anymore, i have all these allegation against him always in the back of my head, it's a struggle, i just can't free myself from this and can't enjoy his movies like i used to do  Casey's case is off putting to me too, so far i'm not able to fully separate his actions from his art, it's bugging me and and i'm admiting it :-S |
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Post by RedSparrow on Mar 2, 2017 19:20:06 GMT
Victim blaming probably is the most ridiculous thing I've ever come across. It is designed to discourage the defense of the person. And if these allegations are true (which seems to be likely) the victims are the only ones who can truly forgive him. I personally can usually separate the art from the artist, I can watch their work and appreciate it for what it is. But to be completely honest I do feel guilty for doing it at times as it makes me feel like I'm somehow enabling their actions by doing it. Especially when you hear things like Bertolucci and Brando's shenanigans, and Bertolucci's explanation for what he did not only left me questioning the idea of separating the art from the artist but also left me feeling guilty and ashamed for being able to do it. I'm still learning and figuring this out slowly. It's hard to do it living in such a politically correct environment. i agree completely! i get it. i caught myself watching Woody Allen movies with a different feeling in my guts, it's not so careless and fun anymore, i have all these allegation against him always in the back of my head, it's a struggle, i just can't free myself from this and can't enjoy his movies like i used to do Casey's case is off putting to me too, so far i'm not able to fully separate his actions from his art, it's bugging me and and i'm admiting it :-S I can completely understand and empathise with you  Don't force yourself to watch his or Allen's work if you can't. It's not worth it if it bugs or upsets you a lot. You can't help how you feel. |
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Post by nenya on Mar 3, 2017 17:45:21 GMT
it's from 6 years ago, his girlfriend acused him, her claims included two incidents of violent domestic abuse, during which she said her boyfriend “threw her in a drunken fury” and “dragged her alongside their car.” Her alleged injuries included a swollen ankle, a burst ovarian cyst, a broken nose, and a blown out kneecap.
she dropped the charges later on.
interesting stuff in a bit wider perspective (than just Fass) here:
Why Are We Ignoring That Michael Fassbender Was Accused Of Abuse
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Post by mortimer605 on Mar 3, 2017 18:14:13 GMT
It's old news. There was a proper investigation by the victims service of LAPD, after which she dropped the charges. It was concluded that there wasn’t any proof or evidence of her claims and no charges were filed.
Leassi Andrews had also accused another boyfriend with physical abuse accusations which were also withdrawn.
This is interesting read: link
We don't know the truth and I don't believe that the rest of the internet know either.
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Post by RedSparrow on Mar 4, 2017 7:19:09 GMT
It was inevitable. But solely for his performance he did deserve the award. I wonder what happens to his career from here though. For now it seems ok, but in the long run I can totally see it taking a hit. I remember Mel Gibson said horrible things years ago... he seems to be ok now. If anything, that pretty much solidifies that white male can get away with almost anything in this industry. A woman, a person of different ethnicity, sexual orientation or anyone in the minority, in Mel or in Casey's place would most likely never find work. Let alone get nominated and win things. No one's denying their talent btw, just to be clear. But let's not dismiss this stuff. |
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Post by renoh on Mar 4, 2017 12:22:52 GMT
I remember Mel Gibson said horrible things years ago... he seems to be ok now. If anything, that pretty much solidifies that white male can get away with almost anything in this industry. A woman, a person of different ethnicity, sexual orientation or anyone in the minority, in Mel or in Casey's place would most likely never find work. Let alone get nominated and win things. No one's denying their talent btw, just to be clear. But let's not dismiss this stuff. Reading your answer, I should have been more clear. I just mentioned Mel to answer your question to point out how fragile memory can be, he still has the platform on Tv shows to promote his work, unbelievable because most of Hollywood is Jewish. Unfortunately, Hollywood forgets and forgives the AHs. Personally, I don't go see any of his movies after that incident. I believe in equality :) . Everybody is innocent until proved guilty, we don’t know the details, everyone expeculates with the Casey case, according to the facts there were “money arrangements”, for me that hints that they make the accusations to get money. Why didn’t they just leave it to the law without receiving any money if he was guilty? and if he was really guilty, why accept the money, as it would imply that his acts had been forgiven in some way, why give him that? There are many things I don’t understand, I’ve read people here are confused too, Woody Allen is still around making movies and actors making a line to be directed by him. I personally didn’t like his movies before all the scandals, then one day I watched a movie that I really liked, I felt nauseous for renting that movie when I knew who directed it. I once had a friend who did something awful to a girl, I was so sad and mad at him, he was supposed to come from a good family, I don’t want to be around him. But actors don’t seem to mind being around people who have actually made horrible things. We have the power to decide what movies to see ;) . Just don't go see the work form the AHs. I hope those people twitting against Casey are twitting against Mel and Woody. |
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