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Post by swoonymara on Feb 15, 2018 2:18:43 GMT
Honestly, in my opinion, she does not know how to run a career. She picks up good projects but does not know how to take advantage of them, she wants to work with people she finds interesting but ends up picking up insignificant roles in bad films ... She has missed many good opportunities in recent years. She's just been picking up boring, repetitive projects, it's been years since she last stepped out of the comfort zone and did something new, exciting.
Her post-Carol career was overall a disappointment. It should have been much, much more. If David Lowery didn't get a new idea for a movie we wouldn't have even A Ghost Story now which is her best project in this period and yet, very small number of people had seen it; which was somewhat expected but still  . Even when she gives terrific performance (Una) almost no one knows about this. Maybe the same fate with Mary Magdalene, who knows ? That's one part of the problem. I doubt many people will be interested to see A House in the Sky either, no matter how possibly good she might be in it.
Rooney needs a little more ambition and to choose more challenging roles, maybe the ones with potential to connect with the (intelligent) modern audience more (Vox Lux seems exactly that). Some plan or what exactly she wants for her movie career. More careful choices of new projects. Maybe change her agent too ? Idk, she seems a little naïve in all this, compared of other younger actresses who have more calculating approach (at least this is how it looks to me). With her talent she is surely capable to deliver a few iconic film performances n this day and age and she has her devoted fans among cinephiles without a doubt. The last two years were kind of comfort zone for her (working with Garth because she likes him and that's OK but is that a good idea for a long, undefined period ?)
Maybe ideal plan for her would be to choose three movies with high-quality prospects in a year (no cameos, only strong lead and supporting roles):
- indie movie (like A Ghost Story or Ain't Them Bodies Saints) - drama with more mainstream potential (like Carol, Her, Side Effects, TSN or Una) - mainstream project but not superhero or franchise movie (more like TGWTDT)
David Lowery, Todd Haynes, David Fincher would be exactly right directors for these types of movies. If they aren't available there's a lot of others, that's for sure. And she doesn't need to like them.
i'm really anxious to see her in something exciting again too but imo a calculating approach or "career plan" isn't the answer. knowing what directors are out there worth working with/for and choosing roles that fit well (as opposed to maybe Annu in DWHWGFOF) seems much more important than making separations between indie, mainstream, and something in between and basing your choices on that. i think that's the whole reason why Pan happened personally. i have more sympathy for her doing the Van Sant movie bc it seemed like she just did it for fun and it wasn't just the product of her agent's advice. i remember an interview w her and Channing Tatum where they talked about how he's more career-oriented and she just chooses things that interest her. IMO movies like Carol and directors like Fincher and Haynes are rare and expecting her to make stuff that good year in and year out is probably asking too much. personally i can't think of a lot of actresses with "better" careers which probably speaks to the dearth of good roles for women out there. what other actresses do u mean? |
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Post by Sam on Feb 15, 2018 2:51:32 GMT
I`ve long wanted to see Rooney in more commercial movies but I guess her tastes just don`t run that way.  :refusal: |
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Post by mortimer605 on Feb 15, 2018 12:36:09 GMT
Her post-Carol career was overall a disappointment. It should have been much, much more. If David Lowery didn't get a new idea for a movie we wouldn't have even A Ghost Story now which is her best project in this period and yet, very small number of people had seen it; which was somewhat expected but still . Even when she gives terrific performance (Una) almost no one knows about this. Maybe the same fate with Mary Magdalene, who knows ? That's one part of the problem. I doubt many people will be interested to see A House in the Sky either, no matter how possibly good she might be in it.
Rooney needs a little more ambition and to choose more challenging roles, maybe the ones with potential to connect with the (intelligent) modern audience more (Vox Lux seems exactly that). Some plan or what exactly she wants for her movie career. More careful choices of new projects. Maybe change her agent too ? Idk, she seems a little naïve in all this, compared of other younger actresses who have more calculating approach (at least this is how it looks to me). With her talent she is surely capable to deliver a few iconic film performances n this day and age and she has her devoted fans among cinephiles without a doubt. The last two years were kind of comfort zone for her (working with Garth because she likes him and that's OK but is that a good idea for a long, undefined period ?)
Maybe ideal plan for her would be to choose three movies with high-quality prospects in a year (no cameos, only strong lead and supporting roles):
- indie movie (like A Ghost Story or Ain't Them Bodies Saints) - drama with more mainstream potential (like Carol, Her, Side Effects, TSN or Una) - mainstream project but not superhero or franchise movie (more like TGWTDT)
David Lowery, Todd Haynes, David Fincher would be exactly right directors for these types of movies. If they aren't available there's a lot of others, that's for sure. And she doesn't need to like them.
i'm really anxious to see her in something exciting again too but imo a calculating approach or "career plan" isn't the answer. knowing what directors are out there worth working with/for and choosing roles that fit well (as opposed to maybe Annu in DWHWGFOF) seems much more important than making separations between indie, mainstream, and something in between and basing your choices on that. i think that's the whole reason why Pan happened personally. i have more sympathy for her doing the Van Sant movie bc it seemed like she just did it for fun and it wasn't just the product of her agent's advice. i remember an interview w her and Channing Tatum where they talked about how he's more career-oriented and she just chooses things that interest her. IMO movies like Carol and directors like Fincher and Haynes are rare and expecting her to make stuff that good year in and year out is probably asking too much. personally i can't think of a lot of actresses with "better" careers which probably speaks to the dearth of good roles for women out there. what other actresses do u mean?
You're probably right. It's more my wish for her career than reality. But in the 2010-2013 period she was pretty close to this formula.
I didn't mean "calculating" neccessarily as a bad thing but it looks to me that other young actresses (Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, Alicia Vikander, Brie Larson...even Margot Robbie and Felicity Jones) are able to rise their profile among the mainstream audience in a much better, more useful way. We can talk "blah...who cares what mainstream audience thinks !" all the time but if you have support of it that automatically means much more viewers to your movies, more popularity and more mainstream influence and support during awards season (If Rooney had all this in 2015, I'm sure she would've won Oscar for Carol ).
And this is one of the reasons why Mother! is discussed more than A Ghost Story in film circles despite AGS being generally better movie (imo).
Rooney is specialist for these "sad, depressed, emo young women" type of roles but they starting to look like her comfort zone and she is in danger to be typecast in them (even that person who praised her performance in MM said that she has the same expression again like in most of her other films (or something like that).
For example - would it be so bad if she takes the lead role in some classy romantic comedy (even crowd-pleaser, why not ?) or good sci-fi story (like Alicia in Ex Machina or Natalie in Annihilation) just once for a change ? Even her sardonic performance in The Discovery felt like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, she said once that she doesn't like sci-fi genre very much but than again - she instead chooses the roles of supportive girlfriends or minor roles in "humanitarian" movies where she literally has nothing to do. Those kind of roles will certainly not help her career; many her fans among the film buffs (even some critics) are becoming slowly annoyed with her recent choices.
And I don't agree about Pan. Pan looked like a bad, unnecessary project from the start for many reasons despite having good director at the helm. But she chose to do it because by her own words, she wanted to entertain her nephews and because of her agent's advice. This is prime example of how Rooney choses wrong projects. She can do all that but she needs to check out scripts first. Don't forget - she also signed for Collateral Beauty once. I sometimes wonder if she ever read scripts before accepting the offers ?
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Post by LaraQ on Feb 15, 2018 12:56:46 GMT
I think she`s missing out by not doing more mainstream projects, you can have a blast in those roles.Actors like Cate Blanchett(Thor,Cinderella),Julianne Moore(Kingsman)are the perfect example of how to mix up high and low brow roles.  |
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Post by RedSparrow on Feb 15, 2018 14:18:47 GMT
You guys make it seem as if these movies are just lying around and Rooney isn't making the most of it. If they were I'm sure she would be jumping at the opportunity. You don't just get to pick and choose an Ex Machina (or the other wonderfully unique movies Mortimer and you guys mentioned). They come once in a blue moon, and if you're lucky you get to work on it.
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Post by renoh on Feb 15, 2018 17:49:42 GMT
You're probably right. It's more my wish for her career than reality. But in the 2010-2013 period she was pretty close to this formula.
I didn't mean "calculating" neccessarily as a bad thing but it looks to me that other young actresses (Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, Alicia Vikander, Brie Larson...even Margot Robbie and Felicity Jones) are able to rise their profile among the mainstream audience in a much better, more useful way. We can talk "blah...who cares what mainstream audience thinks !" all the time but if you have support of it that automatically means much more viewers to your movies, more popularity and more mainstream influence and support during awards season (If Rooney had all this in 2015, I'm sure she would've won Oscar for Carol ).
And this is one of the reasons why Mother! is discussed more than A Ghost Story in film circles despite AGS being generally better movie (imo).
Rooney is specialist for these "sad, depressed, emo young women" type of roles but they starting to look like her comfort zone and she is in danger to be typecast in them (even that person who praised her performance in MM said that she has the same expression again like in most of her other films (or something like that).
For example - would it be so bad if she takes the lead role in some classy romantic comedy (even crowd-pleaser, why not ?) or good sci-fi story (like Alicia in Ex Machina or Natalie in Annihilation) just once for a change ? Even her sardonic performance in The Discovery felt like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, she said once that she doesn't like sci-fi genre very much but than again - she instead chooses the roles of supportive girlfriends or minor roles in "humanitarian" movies where she literally has nothing to do. Those kind of roles will certainly not help her career; many her fans among the film buffs (even some critics) are becoming slowly annoyed with her recent choices.
And I don't agree about Pan. Pan looked like a bad, unnecessary project from the start for many reasons despite having good director at the helm. But she chose to do it because by her own words, she wanted to entertain her nephews and because of her agent's advice. This is prime example of how Rooney choses wrong projects. She can do all that but she needs to check out scripts first. Don't forget - she also signed for Collateral Beauty once. I sometimes wonder if she ever read scripts before accepting the offers ?
 None of the actresses you mentioned have a fraction of what Rooney has, I’d only put appart Alicia out of that list. Brie and Emma are very lucky to have won an Oscar, I didn’t see anything extraordinary from those performances. I guess you meant thoughtful and sensible, i love the mix of emotions she can transmit with the right director and camera operator… sometimes she's doing her stuff but the director doesn't catch it on camera. |
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Post by renoh on Feb 15, 2018 17:52:33 GMT
You guys make it seem as if these movies are just lying around and Rooney isn't making the most of it. If they were I'm sure she would be jumping at the opportunity. You don't just get to pick and choose an Ex Machina (or the other wonderfully unique movies Mortimer and you guys mentioned). They come once in a blue moon, and if you're lucky you get to work on it. I don’t know why people is complaining so much, maybe some people here should follow another actress instead of writing rude things about her choices. Most of the reasons mentioned why they didn’t like her choices are the ones that make me admire her. |
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Post by nenya on Feb 15, 2018 18:19:06 GMT
You're probably right. It's more my wish for her career than reality. But in the 2010-2013 period she was pretty close to this formula.
I didn't mean "calculating" neccessarily as a bad thing but it looks to me that other young actresses (Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, Alicia Vikander, Brie Larson...even Margot Robbie and Felicity Jones) are able to rise their profile among the mainstream audience in a much better, more useful way. We can talk "blah...who cares what mainstream audience thinks !" all the time but if you have support of it that automatically means much more viewers to your movies, more popularity and more mainstream influence and support during awards season (If Rooney had all this in 2015, I'm sure she would've won Oscar for Carol ).
And this is one of the reasons why Mother! is discussed more than A Ghost Story in film circles despite AGS being generally better movie (imo).
Rooney is specialist for these "sad, depressed, emo young women" type of roles but they starting to look like her comfort zone and she is in danger to be typecast in them (even that person who praised her performance in MM said that she has the same expression again like in most of her other films (or something like that).
For example - would it be so bad if she takes the lead role in some classy romantic comedy (even crowd-pleaser, why not ?) or good sci-fi story (like Alicia in Ex Machina or Natalie in Annihilation) just once for a change ? Even her sardonic performance in The Discovery felt like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, she said once that she doesn't like sci-fi genre very much but than again - she instead chooses the roles of supportive girlfriends or minor roles in "humanitarian" movies where she literally has nothing to do. Those kind of roles will certainly not help her career; many her fans among the film buffs (even some critics) are becoming slowly annoyed with her recent choices.
And I don't agree about Pan. Pan looked like a bad, unnecessary project from the start for many reasons despite having good director at the helm. But she chose to do it because by her own words, she wanted to entertain her nephews and because of her agent's advice. This is prime example of how Rooney choses wrong projects. She can do all that but she needs to check out scripts first. Don't forget - she also signed for Collateral Beauty once. I sometimes wonder if she ever read scripts before accepting the offers ?
, I’d only put appart Alicia out of that list. Brie and Emma are very lucky to have won an Oscar, I didn’t see anything extraordinary from those performances. I guess you meant thoughtful and sensible, i love the mix of emotions she can transmit with the right director and camera operator… sometimes she's doing her stuff but the director doesn't catch it on camera. that's the whole point! they don't have what Roons has, but look how well they're doing, how recognizable and prised they are, because of their constant work and a noisy projects. i don't want her to be on the same path, god forbid, but some experimentation and challenge to her obvious emploi would be great. i agree with mortimer, she was bold in her choices, not so much lately. i'd think she is if she was doing VoxLux or Annette, i guess. |
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Post by nenya on Feb 15, 2018 18:26:41 GMT
You guys make it seem as if these movies are just lying around and Rooney isn't making the most of it. If they were I'm sure she would be jumping at the opportunity. You don't just get to pick and choose an Ex Machina (or the other wonderfully unique movies Mortimer and you guys mentioned). They come once in a blue moon, and if you're lucky you get to work on it. I don’t know why people is complaining so much, maybe some people here should follow another actress instead of writing rude things about her choices. Most of the reasons mentioned why they didn’t like her choices are the ones that make me admire her. :shock: how the hell was anything here "rude"??? exept <- this perhaps. but come on, i see no insults or mean spirited comments, just awesome discusion among fans from different points of view, great we can share ideas here. great we still care about Rooney Mara and her career :D , we don't have to agree on everything or love everything she does. |
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Post by mortimer605 on Feb 15, 2018 18:39:57 GMT
You're probably right. It's more my wish for her career than reality. But in the 2010-2013 period she was pretty close to this formula.
I didn't mean "calculating" neccessarily as a bad thing but it looks to me that other young actresses (Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, Alicia Vikander, Brie Larson...even Margot Robbie and Felicity Jones) are able to rise their profile among the mainstream audience in a much better, more useful way. We can talk "blah...who cares what mainstream audience thinks !" all the time but if you have support of it that automatically means much more viewers to your movies, more popularity and more mainstream influence and support during awards season (If Rooney had all this in 2015, I'm sure she would've won Oscar for Carol ).
And this is one of the reasons why Mother! is discussed more than A Ghost Story in film circles despite AGS being generally better movie (imo).
Rooney is specialist for these "sad, depressed, emo young women" type of roles but they starting to look like her comfort zone and she is in danger to be typecast in them (even that person who praised her performance in MM said that she has the same expression again like in most of her other films (or something like that).
For example - would it be so bad if she takes the lead role in some classy romantic comedy (even crowd-pleaser, why not ?) or good sci-fi story (like Alicia in Ex Machina or Natalie in Annihilation) just once for a change ? Even her sardonic performance in The Discovery felt like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, she said once that she doesn't like sci-fi genre very much but than again - she instead chooses the roles of supportive girlfriends or minor roles in "humanitarian" movies where she literally has nothing to do. Those kind of roles will certainly not help her career; many her fans among the film buffs (even some critics) are becoming slowly annoyed with her recent choices.
And I don't agree about Pan. Pan looked like a bad, unnecessary project from the start for many reasons despite having good director at the helm. But she chose to do it because by her own words, she wanted to entertain her nephews and because of her agent's advice. This is prime example of how Rooney choses wrong projects. She can do all that but she needs to check out scripts first. Don't forget - she also signed for Collateral Beauty once. I sometimes wonder if she ever read scripts before accepting the offers ?
None of the actresses you mentioned have a fraction of what Rooney has, I’d only put appart Alicia out of that list. Brie and Emma are very lucky to have won an Oscar, I didn’t see anything extraordinary from those performances.
renoh I didn't say that any of these actresses are better than Rooney (You know I would never think or say anything like that  ). If you read carefully that's certainly not what I said above. On the contrary ! In my honest opinion Rooney has more talent than any of them and that makes all this current situation only more frustrating, seeing how other actresses are working all the time, getting awards (sometimes for lesser performances I agree) and are gaining more popularity. And Rooney even when she is terrific in the role (Una) almost nobody notices it.
Yeah, I'm starting to sound like a broken record saying the same things all the time...
I love it too. When I said that she is specialist to play these characters I said that as a compliment not a bad thing. I'm just afraid she doesn't get typecast, that's all.
Let's wait for Mary Magdalene and hope for the best.
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Post by mortimer605 on Feb 15, 2018 18:58:50 GMT
You guys make it seem as if these movies are just lying around and Rooney isn't making the most of it. If they were I'm sure she would be jumping at the opportunity. You don't just get to pick and choose an Ex Machina (or the other wonderfully unique movies Mortimer and you guys mentioned). They come once in a blue moon, and if you're lucky you get to work on it.
I agree Red but Vox Lux seems also such "once in a lifetime" kind a movie. She didn't need to let this role go to Natalie also.
(If Admin's theory is right - producers wanted a more marketable actress in the role - then Ok, it's understandable. But if not - Rooney dropped out because who knows what reason and after more than year of acting pause, not finding any proper replacement - then yes, I think she has made a big mistake in her career).
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Post by swoonymara on Feb 15, 2018 22:03:38 GMT
i'm really anxious to see her in something exciting again too but imo a calculating approach or "career plan" isn't the answer. knowing what directors are out there worth working with/for and choosing roles that fit well (as opposed to maybe Annu in DWHWGFOF) seems much more important than making separations between indie, mainstream, and something in between and basing your choices on that. i think that's the whole reason why Pan happened personally. i have more sympathy for her doing the Van Sant movie bc it seemed like she just did it for fun and it wasn't just the product of her agent's advice. i remember an interview w her and Channing Tatum where they talked about how he's more career-oriented and she just chooses things that interest her. IMO movies like Carol and directors like Fincher and Haynes are rare and expecting her to make stuff that good year in and year out is probably asking too much. personally i can't think of a lot of actresses with "better" careers which probably speaks to the dearth of good roles for women out there. what other actresses do u mean?
You're probably right. It's more my wish for her career than reality. But in the 2010-2013 period she was pretty close to this formula.
I didn't mean "calculating" neccessarily as a bad thing but it looks to me that other young actresses (Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, Alicia Vikander, Brie Larson...even Margot Robbie and Felicity Jones) are able to rise their profile among the mainstream audience in a much better, more useful way. We can talk "blah...who cares what mainstream audience thinks !" all the time but if you have support of it that automatically means much more viewers to your movies, more popularity and more mainstream influence and support during awards season (If Rooney had all this in 2015, I'm sure she would've won Oscar for Carol ).
And this is one of the reasons why Mother! is discussed more than A Ghost Story in film circles despite AGS being generally better movie (imo).
Rooney is specialist for these "sad, depressed, emo young women" type of roles but they starting to look like her comfort zone and she is in danger to be typecast in them (even that person who praised her performance in MM said that she has the same expression again like in most of her other films (or something like that).
For example - would it be so bad if she takes the lead role in some classy romantic comedy (even crowd-pleaser, why not ?) or good sci-fi story (like Alicia in Ex Machina or Natalie in Annihilation) just once for a change ? Even her sardonic performance in The Discovery felt like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, she said once that she doesn't like sci-fi genre very much but than again - she instead chooses the roles of supportive girlfriends or minor roles in "humanitarian" movies where she literally has nothing to do. Those kind of roles will certainly not help her career; many her fans among the film buffs (even some critics) are becoming slowly annoyed with her recent choices.
And I don't agree about Pan. Pan looked like a bad, unnecessary project from the start for many reasons despite having good director at the helm. But she chose to do it because by her own words, she wanted to entertain her nephews and because of her agent's advice. This is prime example of how Rooney choses wrong projects. She can do all that but she needs to check out scripts first. Don't forget - she also signed for Collateral Beauty once. I sometimes wonder if she ever read scripts before accepting the offers ?
i agree with RedSparrow197. i don't think projects like Ex Machina are constantly coming her way and she's turning them down. you're right that she had other reasons for accepting Pan but she originally considered it bc it was a movie "ppl would actually see" and i doubt she would have accepted it if she wasn't seeking out a blockbuster-type movie in the first place. her 2010-13 run was amazing but was that because of calculation or because those were great directors and she was "hotter"/more in demand at that moment? if Soderbergh is still calling and she's turning him down, that would be one thing but that's most likely not the case. re those other actresses: i'm not that interested in seeing a Passengers or Tarzan or Jason Bourne or Tomb Raider or Amazing Spider-Man with Rooney in it. i realize actors need to do roles like that sometimes so they can be considered "bankable" (and maybe Rooney is suffering bc she avoids them as much as possible) but it's not like Felicity Jones or Vikander or Brie Larson are constantly doing amazing indies to balance it out. so it can seem like a waste sometimes, especially since good directors probably aren't inspired to cast people based on those performances. Roons has a better track record overall IMO. the reason Mother! got much more publicity was bc it was a really weird wide-release arthouse movie and it was extremely polarizing (i loved it), unlike AGS which was a low-budget arthouse movie which ppl generally agreed was good. i'd be totally okay with Rooney in a rom-com or a sci-fi, i would just hope she would be discerning about it. more often than not, she is. about Collateral Beauty: at least it had a more promising director attached when Rooney was involved. maybe she liked Me and Earl and the Dying Girl? but don't think i'm not sad about Vox Lux or ANNEETTTTEE  which IMO is the REAL once-in-a-lifetime role, even if it isn't that big or substantial, just bc it would have been Rooney in a Leos Carax movie |
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Post by RedSparrow on Feb 16, 2018 1:13:12 GMT
You guys make it seem as if these movies are just lying around and Rooney isn't making the most of it. If they were I'm sure she would be jumping at the opportunity. You don't just get to pick and choose an Ex Machina (or the other wonderfully unique movies Mortimer and you guys mentioned). They come once in a blue moon, and if you're lucky you get to work on it.
I agree Red but Vox Lux seems also such "once in a lifetime" kind a movie. She didn't need to let this role go to Natalie also.
(If Admin's theory is right - producers wanted a more marketable actress in the role - then Ok, it's understandable. But if not - Rooney dropped out because who knows what reason and after more than year of acting pause, not finding any proper replacement - then yes, I think she has made a big mistake in her career).
I hope we wouldn’t have to wait until the movies come out to know what exactly happened with Vox Lux and Annette. |
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Post by alexsays on Mar 9, 2018 2:32:19 GMT
Did any one see the screenshots from Production Weekly over on awardswatch forum? Two Kristen Stewart movies were in this week's issue that haven't been officially announced by any big outlets yet. I'd die to look through and see if Rooney's attached to anything but I think you need to pay...
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Post by sethan on Mar 14, 2018 22:13:34 GMT
One of them it’s Benedict Andrews’ (Una) new film
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